Diary Comparison

Monday 1st December 1834

Ann Walker’s Entry

Anne Lister’s Entry

No entry today.

[up at] 8

[to bed at] 11 3/4

no kiss her cousin came yesterday Damp and wet and windy and Fahrenheit 46° at 8 1/4 a.m. breakfast at 9 1/4 – Mr, Parker came at 10 for about an hour Adney having sent for him – she read him her sister’s letter – he wisely said little but his countenance betrayed his annoyance – said he had met Mrs. Christopher Rawson whose manner to him was so markedly rude, he fancied immediately there had been some letter from Captain Sutherland – explained that the money could not be paid without a release being given to Mrs. Clarke – annoyed at the idea of being supposed to charge a percentage on receiving the money for Adney and her sister – said he did not know how he was to get it – Messrs. Alexander sent him the draft of the release on Saturday – Adney to have it to look over this afternoon, and Mr. Parker to send it for the Sutherlands’ perusal tomorrow – Adney gave him William Keighley’s estimate of damages to Heblett’s fences at Holcans 16/. and charge for estimate 3/. – the hunt to pay these sums, and promise to come no more on the Walker estates no more – the business about selling the Godley road slopes done with – Messrs. Stocks and Hodgson the advocates did not attend the meeting so a strong order was entered in the book to keep the slopes and ground as at present for the benefit of the road – and there is therefore I hope no fear of a beer shop in front of the Stump Cross Inn, or of other pother – busy with Charles Howarth moving new knee-hole dressing table painted light oak etc. etc. into tentroom – putting boxes of papers etc. back into the hall chamber etc. etc. – Had Holt from 2 25/.. to 4 3/4 – came to say, no seasoned wood to be had for gin-wheel – the pit-sinkers did not want to have to stop and wait for want of it, and nothing to be done but get an iron one from Low moor – he (Holt) thought there was little to choose between an iron and a wood one – vide his rather different opinion sometime back but made no allusion to this and told him to do his best for an iron wheel – to go about it tomorrow – brought me Greenwood’s note for wood which would all be wanted for other parts of the gin and frame-work, and had been used for roofing the shed – Long talk about Mr. Samuel Hall’s coal – Holt had seen him and Sutcliffe the attorney the intended of Miss Hall the daughter – Sutcliffe said it could be managed to sell the coal, but would be some expense – the father said he would pay nothing and here the conversation ended – but they know it is for me Holt speaks and a chance is promised to Holt for me – he says £2000 down would be too much for me to give (60 dayworks whole coal both beds = 120 dayworks of coal) the interest of money paid down soon eats away all the benefit – but £2000 paid by instalments of £100 per annum would do – (Mr. Rawson was to have paid £2000 one hundred on signing the deeds and the rest by instalments of £50 per annum) – I would make a better offer than this? £500 down and the rest by instalments of £150 per annum? Holt says I must loose this coal (Hall’s) by an engine at Dumb millLong talk about Mr. Rawson’s colliery – I thought this (if Holt can buy Mr. Walker Priestley’s coal and I Hall’s) would eventually fall to me, and Stocks would get Wilson’s loose and thus Stocks’s and mine would be the 2 great collieries in this neighbourhood to which Holt seemed to agree – Stocks had always egged Wilson on, and told him he would make a thousand a year when he got his coal to sale; but Stocks had said that he knew Wilson was only working for him (Stocks)   Stocks has 100 dayworks whole coal – (therefore both beds = 200 dayworks) every bit of which and right away beyond Northowram hall may be loosed by Wilson’s quarry horse engine, and if he (Holt) was in Stock’s place he would give Wilson £6000 for his engine, and loosebut it would not be worth my while to give this – Wilson had once said that when he had got down to the coal perhaps he might let it – but on Holt’s asking if he meant to keep up and work the engine himself or to leave this to the tenant he said he had not thought of that which Holt told him would make a material difference – Holt grieved him sadly by telling him that if he had all to keep up and to pay interest on all that was laid out, he would not take his coal for nothing and be obliged to work it – when Wilson wanted to pass thro’ Norris’s ground Norris asked him a £1000 for the privilege and said it was cheap – but our narrow beds of coal would not pay such great expense – Wilson has sold all his property in Halifax, and Christopher Ward says quarry house is mortgaged for more than it is worth – Stocks lets Wilson have money – but Wilson will not sell privately – he will make the most he can – he is going on a bad plan now – the works will soon burst up close around his pit; and there will be heavy expense in phaying out and arching over – Wilson selling (upper bed) at 6d per load and had got the custom of some ready money Sowerby carts – Rawson hearing of this has lowered his upper bed this morning from 9d to 7d – a very unhandsome proceeding to the trade in general, but Wilson should not have begun at 6d – I made no remark on the latter – it did not occur to me that if Wilson did not sell at 6d who would buy for there is an additional turnpike – the people told Holt he would be obliged to lower from 7d to 6d, but he declared he would not – Rawson’s coal 1st in the market (being brought out in the town) and worth a penny a load more than anybody el[s]e’s – he is lighting his new galloway-gates with gas – his new engine and all etc. said to cost about or near £5000 – coal here will not pay for all this – Said I had had Hinscliffe who would take in hand for me the business about Spigs loose – said I told him what a friend he was of Rawson’s but I had sent for him in spite of that – Holt smiled – said I knew well enough Rawson had pleased (i.e. douceured) Holt pretty well in the pit-filling-up business at Brierley Hill – and that I believed Rawson would employ him to buy the coal here if it was to be sold – I knew well enough how underhand he would go about it – on which Holt said ‘why he told me (I suppose he alluded to Mr. Jeremiah Rawson) if I would buy the coal for him he would make me a handsome present’!!! Holt did not tell me this before – Holt had seen 1 of Rawson’s colliers who asked how the pit (Walker pit) went on, and said he would give us some sowk (suck i.e., water) when we had got to the bottom – oh! said Holt that will do very well – we dont care how much – we want water in Shibden – so it seems they will throw all the water upon us they can – but it will not signify; for, as Holt says, water will run down hill; and we can get rid of it – he says, we can get 1 or 2 acres of coal when the pit is down without more ado, – enough to pay the expense of sinking which he advises for a road down to new bank will cost very little – He denied having told William Keighley that I had said anything about taking £5 per acre for the loose – but when he mentioned £5 per acre to me, he meant that sum paid down and not as a rent per annum and did not seem to think £10 a year per acre too much but on further talk and elicitation of particular on the subject I said a loose was sometimes worth 1/2 as much as the coal (he agreed it was so in some cases) and I did not see why I should make a present to Mr. Dean – I did not wish to [be] hard upon William Keighley and company but what they paid me for the loose should be deducted from the price paid to Mr. Dean – Holt had valued the coal at £50 each bed that is £100 per acre that my insinuation would be that I valued the loose at £25 per acre but not pressing this I said I thought it out to be worth twice what I had said before i.e. £10×2=£20, and he did not seem to object – Illingworth valued the soft or lower bed at 80 guineas and the upper or hard at 70 guineas which I agreed with Holt was too much – but it strikes me that £125 per acre for both beds (including loose) will not be too much – 80 guineas + 70 guineas = £157.10.0   that I think I may well enough ask £25 per acre for loose of both bedsHolt says this loose will loose a great deal of coal – told Holt he had better tell William Keighley to agree with me for the loose 1st and then see what they could afford to give Mr. Dean for his coal – they would only buy at present he (Holt) thought 3 fields or about 10 acres   Holt is to have his answer about Mr. Walker Priestley’s coal in a week – Before speaking to him had 1st asked Mr. Waddington what he would take for his loose, and he agreed to take what Holt offered him i.e. £50 for, tho’ this loose looses the 15 acres good of Mr. Walker Priestley’s coal, yet the loosing Walker Priestley’s coal also looses 15 acres of Waddington’s coal – therefore £3.6.8 per acre value of loose to Walker Priestley’s coal + £3.6.8 value of the 15 acres loosed for Waddington = £6.13.4 per acre which Holt pays down – now this loose is purchased under the circumstances of knowing that Walker Priestley will sell his coal dear and that the pit to be sunk to get it will be nine scores yards (180 yards) deep, that is, the deepest pit in this neighbourhood – (vide bottom of page 215 Hinscliff pays £20 per acre for loose) – Holt agreed with me, as he has done before, that the coal he bought of Mr. John Rawson at Binns bottom at £90 per acre is dearer than the 10 acres I had agreed to sell Mr. Rawson – situation and all things considered – for tho’ his upper bed is 27 inches thick and mine only 20, he would rather have the latter thickness than the former – more coal can be got out of hard bed 20 than 27 inches – of the 20 inches bed can get up posts and leave nothing – obliged to leave about 1/3 of the 27 inch bed – afraid of crushing in – puts 2 colliers into one cut (thurl?) of 5 yards long and 2 yards broad and obliged to leave 1 yard thick between each cut – Holt values 1/2 acre coal (both beds at 50 guineas each er bed per acre) in Northowram for Miss Wadsworth at 50 guineas – but Stocks wanted it to plague somebody so bid it up to 100 guineas – but Miss Wadsworth told him she would have nothing to do with him and Peter Bland and company having bid £100 they were to have it but Holt thinks they will try to be off or get an abatement – this is the 1/2 acre Mr. Parker alluded to some time ago which is in the gift from Miss Wadsworth to the charity almshouses and for which Mr. Parker is one of the trustees –       dinner at 6 – coffee – Adney and I 1/2 hour with my father and Marian – then I returned to them to pay Marian for the last month and she kept me talking near one hour – 

did not like to deceive her family    I at liberty to tell A- [Adney] now one of the family and my aunt   it seems she has told my father and he knows that I know of it   but he neither gave any opinion or made any remark himself nor asked what I had said    she has made up her mind to marry Mr. Abbott    can make out his having two thousand a year out of trade but has made no inquiries   thinks it better to continue in trade and make more for fear of having too little for their children   they will continue therefore in Halifax    she suspects that the Haighs suspect it as one of them saw Mr. A- [Abbott] walking home with her some while ago   it was quite dusk or he would not have done it    and everybody knew her well enough to know she would not allow that without there was something serious   I merely said she knew [what] I should think and what I should do   I only made one request that she would not marry from here and that she herself would send the news to the papers   Halifax Leeds and York   styling herself Marian daughter of Jeremy L- [Lister] Esq. of Skelfler House in this county   she said she had meant to do it in this way   I said there would be no impropriety in her marrying six months after my father’s death   calculated that she might not have more than one or two or three children   that she was old enough to judge for herself   that I only feared the mortification might be greater to herself than to me   that I advised and wished her not to put up a hatchment for my father    not to stay long here after his death and not to ann[o]unce to me her marriage    it would be enough to see it in the papers    whatever I did I should do nothing from caprice or without a reason    that I sincerely wished her happy    that her best friend would probably [be] that person who mentioned me to her seldomest and that as for A- [Adney] and myself   her (Marian’s) name would never pass our lips to anyone    Marian was almost in tears    I could have been but would not    spoke calmly and kindly   said I should probably not tell my aunt as she would be much hurt and as many things happened between the cup and the lip perhaps the match might not take plece /place/    one of the parties might die   sat 1/2 hour with Adney she wondered what was the matter – and was as much astonished as I was – she consoled and calmed me – 20 minutes with my aunt till 10 – then talking to Adney till came upstairs at 11 – How strangely things turn out! But I shall get over it – Damp, rainy, windy day – rainy stormy boisterous night at 11 40/.. p.m. at which hour Fahrenheit 46° in my dressing room

Courtesy of West Yorkshire Archive Service, Calderdale SH:7/ML/E/17/0116 & SH:7/ML/E/17/0117

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